A conversation with two Norton Rose Fulbright trainees-to-be
In common with most students, before doing vac schemes last year, UCL law graduate James Dadford and Lancaster Uni law graduate Marley Ali had a limited idea of how an international law firm works.
Legal Cheek‘s Alex Aldridge last week visited Norton Rose Fulbright — where the duo are working as paralegals before starting their training contracts — to meet them and listen to their reflections about what they have learned.
There is an element of truth in legal dramas
Alex Aldridge (AA): Is life at Norton Rose Fulbright like Suits?
Marley Ali (MA): No, no, although I do wish we had Louis Litt as a partner!
James Dadford (JD): You do get that question quite a lot from your friends and family… There’s obviously much less drama, but it can be a bit like Suits in the sense that there is an element of glamour. People doing high profile things. Certainly, having meetings with CEOs of huge companies and mixing in those kind of circles is inherently glamorous. But it’s all underpinned by a lot of hard work.
Top lawyers are often surprisingly nice
AA: This glass and steel building on the banks of the Thames we’re sitting in is beautiful but also slightly terrifying.
MA: I know what you mean. Coming to London from the north of England it can feel intimidating. But what I noticed early on in my vac scheme here, which I did in December, was how nice and down to earth everyone was. They were very approachable. They were normal people. That puts you at ease.
JD: I agree, the atmosphere is unthreatening.
There are subtle codes of behaviour that govern how a big firm works
MA: My advice to students doing vac schemes this summer would be to be confident and approach people. If you are interested in a particular area of law, go and knock on the relevant person’s door.
AA: Is there a danger of being too keen?
JD: The general rule is that if someone’s door is open, then go for it. If it’s closed, or someone is on the phone or looking stressed, perhaps don’t go for it. Another thing is that as a vac schemer it’s usually better to approach trainees. They’re the ones you should be asking for work.
MA: It’s true — trainees tend to have the time speak. They also often have been given various tasks by their seniors which they are in turn looking to delegate.
AA: What about your fellow vac schemers — what’s that relationship like?
JD: It’s really friendly. The core part of the selection process has taken place before that stage, so most will get training contracts. It’s actually nice to think that you are one of those people. Even if you are the least interesting person on the scheme, you know that you have been judged to be on their level and you deserve your place. I’ve become really good friends with some. We still have a WhatsApp group.
MA: I had a similar experience. We also have a WhatsApp group.
Every time corporate lawyers use the law, they have a purpose
AA: How true is the stereotype that big law firms don’t actually do that much law?
JD: Not very. You obviously need to think about everything you’re dealing with in a commercial way, but the law is always there. However, you’re not coming at the law in an academic way like you do at university. At Norton Rose Fulbright everything you do in respect of the law has a purpose. You are always building towards something.
AA: Can you give an example?
MA: One thing to bear in mind is that if associates ask you to research a legal point, which is a fairly common task assigned to vac schemers, they expect bullet points not an essay.
International law firms are part of a market that towers over everything else
AA: Has doing a vac scheme in the City changed your understanding of the way the world works?
MA: It has made me more conscious of how the UK economy is structured. Experiencing the City of London, this physically quite small place that accounts for such a high proportion of this country’s economic output, has made me think. This is where all the big deals are, in this country at least. And being part of that at Norton Rose Fulbright has probably made me re-evaluate the placements I did at a medium sized firm in the regions and a barristers’ chambers . I really enjoyed those experiences but this is the place I want to be.
JD: The other day I overheard two partners discussing a “small deal” worth £23 million. Even the small transactions are worth huge amounts of money.
AA: What about the international element of the job? Does the fact that your organisation has offices across the planet impact on your day-to-day life?
JD: Yes. Every deal on which you work has international elements. So the emails which you receive will have people included in from all over the world. And the London office always has people from different offices passing through. It doesn’t quite feel like an airport, but there’s a lot of through-traffic. And as part of that culture trainees are encouraged to spend a seat abroad. I’m looking forward to that.
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